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Suno
歌曲生成与音频创作
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i think the stems are basically useless. rebuild sounds nothing like the master... i had claude compare the two and put hard numbers on it:
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Yes I tried to split them in studio to work on them and this is basically what happened.. 🤷♂️ couldn't put it back together, because it sounded totally messed up.
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suno v6 sucks...
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v6 just sucks, suno overall sucks now
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There’s not a lot about v6 that is good
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Zero metal trained lol makes sense, it sounds awful
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Suno v6的华纳音乐目录 朋友们,这是AI在分析Suno训练所用的华纳音乐目录,所以我们需要持保留态度。
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Wanner Music catalogue for Suno v6 Friends,This is an AI analysing the Warner Music catalogue that Suno was trained on, so we have to take it with a grain of salt.
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I looked but didn’t see this song in the iTunes Store, so yeah great song and awesome it got around so much at my office lol
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With 4.5, V5, 5.5, you could put in a simple command and get a fantastic result. But that's not the case anymore. V6 takes a lot more effort. It doesn't work with the simple prompts anymore. That's not the fault of the prompter. That's the fault of the engine.
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que seria "Very High" para ellos?. Su pongamos que suno en un genero tenia 50 mil horas y ahora tiene 5 y lo catalogan como Very High... entonces incluso en su mejores datos es malo y punto.
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朋友们,这是AI在分析Suno训练所用的华纳音乐目录,所以我们需要持保留态度。虽然它可能并非完全不准确,但也可能有一定道理。 我的一个小假设是:模型在某个流派拥有的记录越多,它产生该流派作品的能力就越强。
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Friends,This is an AI analysing the Warner Music catalogue that Suno was trained on, so we have to take it with a grain of salt. Like it might not be totally inaccurate but could be accurate as well. My little pet hypothesis is that the more records a model has in a genre, the better it becomes at producing that genre.
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So sorta explains the quality dip - Those with sparse libraries are better quality. Those with extensive libraries are complete shit in quality. Warner is the culprit in the V6
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Suno v6的华纳音乐目录 朋友们,这是AI在分析Suno训练所用的华纳音乐目录,所以我们需要持保留态度。
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Wanner Music catalogue for Suno v6 Friends,This is an AI analysing the Warner Music catalogue that Suno was trained on, so we have to take it with a grain of salt.
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V5 understood 7th also.
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试试 大七和弦
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try major seventh chord
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same with using someone like "homer" or "caeser" or "epstein"
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Suno刚刚警告了我,因为我的风格提示词里的一个和弦恰好是个艺术家的名字。
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Suno just slapped me with a warning because a chord in my style prompt happens to be an artist's name.
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I had vocals bleeding into the synths stem. Was pretty confusing when listening, I thought I had not muted them.
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Suno is a bit paranoid when it comes to artist names. Sometimes to the cringe levels.
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In my case, the stems turned out pretty lousy from the mix I applied the remaster to.
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There it is, the it’s the promoters fault, when the complaints are about technicalities that have absolutely nothing to do with the prompting and everything to do with the engine, skips, volume discrepancies, unable to lock in a BPM, crackling, instruments out of time, unintelligible words
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I like this a lot! really like the vocals
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This is a song i was working on that will never be finished since v6 is awful. 0:00-2:10 is what i made section by section so stop at 2:10. https://suno.com/s/evzJ31dwEqSBsnan I've tried around 30 prompts to try to finish it or start again to no avail. Paused my plan for now but if it isn't better in 3 months that's it permanently.
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I gotta say your prompt examples just gave me a major breakthrough!! I was sort of heading this way but was still really fumbling around honestly. This makes such a difference!!!
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I've been successful so far with 'unpolished.' For me it stripped away a lot the over engineered generic sound.
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For that I enjoy creating Voices kinda in the zone of what I want. I am the worst singer but Suno does a good job of making it work well enough.
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I just clicked the link for this without reading the body of your message, and I thought at the end of it, good instruments, good lyrics, good topic, but the voice could do with having more character..and then I see you message and see that it seems like that is Suno dropping the ball there. It's not that the voice is bad but there is something in me going, man, I wish there was an extra characterful voice with that to take this where it belongs.
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I think you found a useful prompt trick, but I don’t think Frictional HCI has much to do with it. Suno responds well to specific music-production terminology. “Unpolished,” “studio performance,” synth types, pads, arpeggios, dynamics, arrangement language - those give the model a more specific target.
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I'll understand if you've stopped or need a break, but here's mine The Folly of Fools I've composed my own music for the lyrics. But I wondered what would happen if I told Suno to blend Flamenco and Metal. It didn't do it as well as the late, great Benjamin Woods, but it came out better than I was expecting.
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Maybe—and I repeat, maybe—an extension of your idea works for me: I enter some instructions about the characteristics of the recording room, which steers Suno in a less generic and more specific direction.
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太长不看:使用'未打磨的'、'录音室表演'或'现场表演'来让歌曲听起来不那么千篇一律。
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TL/WR: Use 'unpolished,' 'studio performance,' or 'live performance' to make your songs sound a lot less generic.
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They learned nothing. They released a shittier version and STILL wound up in another lawsuit.
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Obviously that was not the case. They learned nothing. They released a shittier version and STILL wound up in another lawsuit.
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Suno 为合法使用模型训练素材支付了版权费用……这就是他们在上一场诉讼中暗示的做法,也是 V6 被认为是有史以来最先进、最强大模型的原因(这是他们在发布前的说法)。
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Suno pays for the rights to legally use the work the models were trained on... which is what they implied was done in the last lawsuit and that was why V6 was supposed to be the most advanced, bestest model ever (so they said prior to release).
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I loved that I was thinking, “What the hell is this???” in a GOOD way the entire time. Good beat and vibe and especially, especially loved the lyrics. This is the kind of shit (pun almost intended) I’m here for.
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I like the overall delivery on this track—trendy, current, and catchy. I also really like how the background piano stays engaging and anchors the whole thing. * Right when I was about to say verse 2 needed some variation, it hit with a very interesting switch-up.
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I actually kind of wished chorus 2 felt a bit more "flowy" without that stop-and-go drum pattern. But yeah, I know that's one of the hardest things to instruct in Suno.
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Cool, imagine complaining about a tool as easy to use and amazing as Suno.
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Ok cool, as long as we have no more glazing and gaslighting about how great V6 is when amyone with ears can tell it isn't.
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Love the extended harmonies in the intro melodies! Very unique and the drums are solid. Super catchy.
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For this, everything works well and I love the echo/reverb but the rampup around 1:20 is fantastic.
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But there are a bunch of hyped up fanboys who let people with legitimate criticism know rather condescendingly that they just don't know how to prompt yadda yadda and that v6 is the best thing since sliced bread, which it is not, at least not for quite a few genres in general. Plus the obvious sound issues across the board.
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Suno does not require you to jump through hoops to make it usable.
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如果你必须针对某个类型训练模型才能让它勉强应付,那就别再把它推荐为Suno的可行替代品了,因为它并不是。
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If you have to train a model on a genre just so it can barely handle it then stop recommending it as a viable alternative to Suno, because it is not one.
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Try to not use the Turbo model for ace-step then? Ace-Step 1.5 works well for lyrics on the standard model with 30 steps.
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连一半的音乐类型都处理不了,还会跳过歌词
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can't even handle half the genres and skip over lyrics
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I had low expectations for V6 but I at least expected it to at least have some redeemable qualities, but it is worse in every way imaginable for me.
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Yeah, as soon as I realized what variety is doing, it stays at 0. I don't know why anybody would use it, except to waste credits on "experimenting".
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I don't know why anybody would use it, except to waste credits on "experimenting".
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Variety是Suno的一个新功能,你可以从更多选项下拉菜单中控制它。 它在其他滑块下方。 当variety开启时,Suno会获取你的风格提示词并将其修改为通常听起来更加千篇一律的提示词。
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Variety is a new feature in Suno that you can control from the more options drop down. It's below the other sliders. When variety is on Suno will take your style prompt and modify it to what is typically a more generic sounding prompt.
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Same, just wasted 550 credits this morning trying to post a new release and couldn't do it, just gave up submitted feedback either way, very very disappointed.
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The music sucks! How can anyone list to this crap it generates.
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If deep house is pop then I disagree, dog xhit comes out no matter what I do.
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如果你做Pop的话V6更好。泡泡之外的东西呢?
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V6 is better if you make Pop. Anything outside of that bubble?
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If deep house is pop then I disagree, dog xhit comes out no matter what I do. And it's like it was put through a blender.
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如果你做流行音乐的话,V6 更好。
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V6 is better if you make Pop.
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On the plus side: there are fewer artifacts in the vocals, the bass stands out more clearly in the mix, and there is less distortion during loud passages.
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The v6 has both pros and cons. On the plus side: there are fewer artifacts in the vocals, the bass stands out more clearly in the mix, and there is less distortion during loud passages. The downsides: everything else.
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The beats are really strong/ distracting , can't really listen.. but generation is otherwise amazing.
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I'm talking about the drum sound too loud, vocal is muffled and the volume inconsistencies that kind of audio problem weirdness not music style and prompt stuff
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V5.5 was trash but V6 definitely takes the price! Kind of miss V5.5. Just saying in comparison!
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I've been using Suno since it debuted on Discord and have rolled 100k songs, so I know cherry-pickin one generation that worked don't prove this model isn't shitty.
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yer i can see why you think that and im starting to think simaler i started to mess around with hooks and i made 4 only one seem active and i have something like a 64% lto when i made the hook for the song thats looks like its taken of i see no movevmnt on the rest of my profle no likes on the hook or main song so im simply not convinsed suno platform follower counter like counter or view counter means anything and its pot luck you music or reels get shownthis is a snap shot of the moent i took it and i do not see traction on anything else and im debateing getting rid of my subcription at this rate
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v6 is such a drastic improvement from 4.5 in every genre I've tried I don't understand how anyone could say otherwise. Do you make generic house music or something? 4 on the floor club music? v6 is so much more creative than 4.5 there is no comparison
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Yes custom model, and uploading my own audio, but the variety slider takes my unique prompts and totally destroys them with cliches that make everything sound like generic top 40 Musak
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that did work, thanks. first time sound has been worth using!
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创建一个Sound然后使用它。我就是这样终于得到了一个Cuica鼓的。还有口弦琴。
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Create a Sound then use that. That's how I got a Cuica drums finally. And I got jaw harp.
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